I interviewed Michael J. Gorman about his book Participating in Christ: Explorations in Paul’s Theology and Spirituality (Baker Academic, 2019). I ask Michael how some common refrains stack up against Paul’s understanding of participation, how the cross not only reveals Christ and God, but also what it means to be human. We talk about co-resurrection and how that shapes how we speak of justification, how Michael’s work on theosis is more narrative than metaphysical, and if there’s a relationship between Paul’s union with Christ language and Matthew 25’s presence of Christ in the least of these. Finally we talk about his deuteron-Pauline letter to the contemporary church in North America.