I sat down with Brian Robinson to talk about being beta for Jesus! (Or, as his book is more scholarly titled: Being Subordinate Men: Paul’s Rhetoric of Gender and Power in 1 Corinthians – out now with Lexington Books). Folks, this book is a game changer! A robust, bold, and ultimately convincing argument that through elevating femininity and misperforming masculinity, Paul consistently undermines first-century Roman norms of masculinity. Instead of toxic masculinity, Paul commands the men in his audience to embody a failed, or subordinate masculinity out of both faithfulness to Christ and in order to overcome factionalism in the community. We talk in-depth about the book and its surprisingly increasing relevance where Presidential hopefuls are challenging their incumbent opponent to push-up contests.